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CommentsSTOP THIS MADNESS - THIS WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED IN ANY OTHER EUROPEAN COUNTRY.
CommentsThis cannot be allowed in such an historic and ancient place. Maybe we need the EU to challange the validity and the sham of the EIS report as prepared under EU rules.
CommentsDear Friends of Irish Freedom: The entire area around Kilmainham Jail is sacred ground which must be preserved for posterity. Do not let the Celtic Tiger devour its own history! Write to the Dublin Corp. to prevent misguided developers from ruining the character of Kilmainham. Tell your friends and relatives to write to the Dublin Corp., newspapers and other government officials to stop the Charmside Developments proposed office monstrosity. Very truly yous, John Downing, New York, NY
CommentsSurely this proposal will not pass the planners in Dublin Corporation. THis proposal for Dublin's Bastille district would not be allowed by any city authority in Europe. What next office blocks on the grounds of the Royal Hospital ? Please let sanity prevail no office blocks for such an historic and ancient district.
CommentsRe: Charmside Developments' Proposed Office Block scheme @ Inchicore Rd, D8, Planning Ref: 2467/00. To: Dublin Corporation. To whom it concerns, As a resident of and citizen Dublin, I wish to object to this proposed development on the grounds that it is the wrong location for such scheme of buildings. Kilmainham Jail is on of our most treasured historic monuments and has suffered for too long from a deficit of tourist-oriented facilities in its vacinity. The site in question would be an excellent location for a Civic amenity [park, heritage centre to tie in the other local landmarks like the IMMA & War Park etc.] It is my view that the site should be designated as a civic space and be purchased by the Corporation or other Government authority with a view to a future development that would enhance this heritage area. All over Dublin, office and residential schemes are mushrooming. Would it not be therefore adventageous to the enjoyment of our cultural heritage and the overall aesthetics of the city if certain strategic sites like this one DIRECTLY OPPOSITE the Jail were protected from the well greased wheels of commerce? I implore you to reject this proposal. In fact I implore you to do even more; acquire this site and save it from the all pervasive office block! Yours faithfully
CommentsRe: Charmside Developments' Proposed Office Block scheme @ Inchicore Rd, D8, Planning Ref: 2467/00. To: Dublin Corporation. To whom it concerns, As a resident of and citizen Dublin, I wish to object to this proposed development on the grounds that it is the wrong location for such scheme of buildings. Kilmainham Jail is on of our most treasured historic monuments and has suffered for too long from a deficit of tourist-oriented facilities in its vacinity. The site in question would be an excellent location for a Civic amenity [park, heritage centre to tie in the other local landmarks like the IMMA & War Park etc.] It is my view that the site should be designated as a civic space and be purchased by the Corporation or other Government authority with a view to a future development that would enhance this heritage area. All over Dublin, office and residential schemes are mushrooming. Would it not be therefore adventageous to the enjoyment of our cultural heritage and the overall aesthetics of the city if certain strategic sites like this one DIRECTLY OPPOSITE the Jail were protected from the well greased wheels of commerce? I implore you to reject this proposal. In fact I implore you to do even more; acquire this site and save it from the all pervasive office block! Yours faithfully
CommentsDublin's Bastille district must be developed siitably not these Dallas type blocks-how can Dublin Corporation allow this muck to be built -cop on corpo- this proposal is off the wall for Kilmainham.
CommentsI visited the planning department of Dublin Corporation yesterday 5th Jan 2001 to view how Treasury Holdings responded to the additional information as requested of them last Sept. I was amazed to find that the actual density of the development has increased by 4000 sq metres,now-They have begrudingly incorporated some minimal retail units and they claim there will be public access to a small atrium space (that will no doubth close due to "security reasons" we will hear if ever built). The intence density of these MACRO BLOCKS has as I say actually being increased by 40000 sq ft. The developer is certainly "GIVING THE FINGERS" to the senior planners in Dublin Corporation- his dazzling photomontage appears to show the MACRO BLOCKS "fading" as they rise to 6 stories - his hall of mirrors does nothing to address the serious issues as requested by DC. 1. The intence density of offices still at 98% 2. He has not seriously considered a better mix of uses as requested. 3 Kilmainham is a major tourist district with no amenities - right in front of Kilmainham Gao, these essential amenities must be developed. 3. He has now gone from 53,000 sq ms to 57,000 sq ms- how arrogant can he get- HE HAS RESPONDED TO THE CORPORATIONS REQUEST FOR FURTHER INFORMATION WITH CONTEMPT AND UTMOST DISTAIN. 4.HE must also address the facts of the great history and heritage of this site- the actual elevated site where Brian Boru camped in 1014 before the Battle of Clontarf and the actual site of St. John's Well. Dublin Corporation must respond bluntly to his "con show" compilation of additional information. He will not consider what this site cries out for a tastefully designed Hotel and heritage village- this is what the residents of Kilmainham desire- right if front of the Old Gaol on this magnificent site. THIS IS JUST AN IMMEDIATE PERUSAL ON WHAT WAS VIEWED YESTERDAY A MORE DETAILED OBJECTION WILL FOLLOW OUR INITIAL EXAMINATION, NB: THERE WAS ALL FANCY ELEVATIONS SHOWN- BUT NO PLANS !!!! OF THE DEVELOPMENT APPEAR TO HAVE BEEN LODGED- THIS IS FURTHER EVIDENCE OF HIS CONTEMPT AND BLATANT ARROGANCE.
Comments....this is Wood Quay all over again and once more in Dublin 8..the fact this is 30 years after Wood Quay - the 21st Centuary and right if front of KIlmainham Gaol and the Royal Hospital makes it inexcusable - Dublin Corporation must say NO NO NO to these guys ( Treasury Holdings)- they are planning to destroy the great potential of this site forever - whats proposed here is "ARCHITECTURAL FACISM" IN THE FACE OF THE GAOL AND THIS ANCIENT DISTRICT- IMAGINE THIS MONSTER WITH ITS LIGHTS ON. |
CommentsAs a resident of Islandbridge I totally agree with all that has being stated so far...but the Northern Elevation of this speculative cliff must be brought into proporation and must be of architectural excellance. This cliff as protrayed at the moment on the its northern elevation is the Western Gateway into Dublin City- what rises here should be a building of prestige not only architecturally but also the function of these buildings must be significent- the only thing significent about THE MACRO BLOCKS is their scale and density. There is nothing excellent about this ocean liner- to be forever docked at the Old Gaol and in the face of everyone and the thousands of tourists who visit Kilmainham. These MACRO BLOCKS by their LOCATION alone will reflect so bad on us on all the visitors who visit the Gaol and the Royal hospital- this development must be rejected as the developer has totally failed to address the extensive requests of him by the city planners- as previously stated it has grown iin size by 40,000 ft sq ft.
CommentsTREASURY BUYING THE DOME AND DESTROYING HOME. ( Some Legacy their leaving here in Old Dublin) We see their back with avengance in Old Dublin / Kilmainham this development has increased in density since the first proposal was restricted (some restriction) increasing by 40,000 ft sq. If this is how they have responded to the additional information as requested we think the next comment from Dublin Corporation must be one of rejection.
Dublin Corporation Planning Dept Wood Quay Dublin 8
Ref: Proposed Kilmainham Offices & Technology “Park” !! Inchicore Road, Kilmainham (Presently Nestle/ Rowntree Site). By Treasury Holdings, DEVELOPMENTS. Planning Ref: 2467/00
Dear Sirs, We wish to object in the most strongest terms to the proposed MACRO OFFICE BLOCK development. These MACRO = (Huge) (Charmside’s own term) OFFICE BLOCKS are NOT what should be built or even GIVEN CONSIDERATION right IN FRONT of Dublin’s premier and Ireland’s most visited heritage site Kilmainham Gaol & Museum standing only 3 miles west of the city centre. Let’s examine the figures for the site: Total “Accommodation” now 57,000 sq metres = 570,000 ft sq
Yes this site requires development (but not this) as it has evolved from a chocolate factory (Rowntree Mackintosh) into now a storage area for Nestle products, Kit Kat bars etc. Over the last few years we the residents of Kilmainham have happily seen the numbers of tourists entering our area increase in great numbers due to the presence of Kilmainham Gaol, Royal Hospital & The Memorial Park. What brings them to the area primarily is the presence of Kilmainham Gaol on Inchicore Road. Every tourist to Dublin who takes a bus tour is aware of the Jail and its location. They come in droves (last count 160,000 last year) to see this fine museum the most popular heritage site in Ireland, attendance figures published in last Sunday’s papers. The tourists then stand aimlessly or lean against the walls of the Nestle site opposite Kilmainham Jail when their visit to the museum is over . They then walk to the bus stop on Emmet Road and stand in packs awaiting the 78 or 51 bus to take them out of the district and back to the city centre. Those with transport exit the district on their tour buses (if they can be parked, a coach parking space is badly required opposite the Jail) or in cars, as there is nowhere adjacent to the Jail for them (or us)to mix / relax or buy a heritage book (bookshop), an Irish art piece, enjoy a meal (restaurant) or any attraction or local focal point to entice them to stay and spend their morning or afternoon exploring the many other historical sites in the district. This focal point NOW exists and is directly opposite the Jail i.e. the Nestle site!! This massive site has the potential and is THE PERFECT SITE in the district for a heritage centre for to provide tourist amenities for the district of Kilmainham/ Inchicore if not the City of Dublin. It should provide local and tourist amenities in the form of bookshops, restaurants etc. Also to include what the district badly requires a hotel to be built to accommodate tourists and provide local and tourist amenities in the form of an information centre, conference rooms, bookshops, restaurants and a meeting point (all having traditional shop fronts) etc for local residents and tourists alike. Enter any small town in rural Ireland and you will be directed or will soon find a tourist Information centre. Enter Kilmainham Inchicore and not as much as a leaflet relating to the area is to be found. The architectural style of these much needed developments must compliment sensitively the presence of Kilmainham Gaol, the Courthouse & the Richmond Tower. Certainly NOT TO OUTSCALE in a MACRO fashion these local / national landmarks and the Victorian housing of Inchicore Road and the SCR. Not only is the scale of this development not in tune with its surroundings but also its function and purpose is totally wrong opposite the Jail – offices and technology. Offices and technology parks are required but in purpose built estates on the periphery of the city not here in Old Dublin / Kilmainham. A development in scale with the Jail, Courthouse and Richmond Tower is required here i.e. A SUBSTANTIAL TOURIST / HERITAGE DEVELOPMENT to blend WITH THE SURRONDINGS. Contemporary architecture could support the traditional Victorian housing along with Kilmainham Gaol, the Courthouse and Richmond Tower once it’s in scale and its function is appropriate. The only part of Charmside’s proposal that reflects a public/tourist awareness is the supposed building of a “Public Square” and yet they state that there is no guarantee (outside their control) of this (Trojan Horse) ever being laid even if the MACRO development God forbid is ever built. The “Public Square” is not even part of the site so they need have no concern that it may be paved across the SCR and Inchicore Road . Some hope of a public square being built on these main arteries (the old Slighe Mor & Slighe Dala ways of ancient times) out of the city considering the traffic plans or lack of same over the coming years!! The “Public Square” WILL NEVER HAPPEN, WE ALL KNOW IT. I’m more concerned about the greater possibility of the MACRO BLOCKS being built. The sun will never shine or the rain will never fall on the peoples “Public Square” unless the residents form their own public square by sitting down in the middle of the road to protest against this proposed monstrosity. They did it in 1988 to save the Spire of St. Jude’s (that lies in the shadow of Kilmainham Jail) from a demolition crew in the employment of Robert Guinness.
The main body of St. Jude’s now stands in Straffan (for all intent and purposes as an Inchicore “heritage centre”!!) containing among other things prototype model trains built by the Inchicore Engineers and railway artefacts from the Victorian Inchicore Railway works ( Great Southern and Western Railways). What a great tourist attraction was pulled from its roots only to be “reinstated” in a non-industrial, non-tourist area. To quote from Charmside’s own commissioned “Environmental Impact Statement”: “Kilmainham Jail is a landmark building in Dublin together with The Royal Hospital and Con Colbert Road. It forms a distinct mental node in one’s mental map of the city. This will be further enhanced ON A MACRO SCALE by provision of the proposed development that will ENLIVEN a former industrial site.” “ ..the proposed blocks will rise gradually to 6 storeys..” Charmside’s further charm offensive lists all the historical events and even the most notable people associated with Kilmainham down the centuries are resurrected to endorse these totally speculative office blocks. This development if even built to half its proposed scale has the potential of becoming the greatest “negative externality” built in the city (due to its location alone) this century. The function of the development built opposite Kilmainham Jail must reflect the importance of the Jail to our district, Dublin and the nation. This issue will exceed local concerns and must become one of national if not international (Irish America / London Irish) importance. They unwittingly state a major negative here and its LOUD and clear this development is going to be SO BIG that the most exact / appropriate word to describe their proposal is rightly as they say MACRO!! There is all fancy talk in the EIS about Maigneann our Monk, our local flora, Viking remains, Strongbow , Brian Boru having camped in the district before his defeat of the Danes in 1014, the arrival of the Normans to Kilmainham and The Knight Templers . They have all the events and characters of local and national history here to build a successful theme park at least. What a great history they have suddenly learned, which we as locals are already fully aware of, and wish to share our great history / architecture of the district with all on a most perfect site i.e. opposite Kilmainham Gaol. There is even a breakdown (in the EIS) of the constituent gases making up our atmosphere!! WHAT BALDERDASH !! We don’t want our atmosphere and our Jail polluted by the presence of these blocks. Also some lovely photos of our village and the Pheonix Park. Photos taken from the Magazine showing today’s lovely view. All postcard shots of our district as it exists at present. It’s the future views that I can envisage already in 3 D form from all aspects and distances that I know is so wrong for Kilmainham and its Jail Enough said by CHARMSIDE on their “charm offensive” to develop / push these MACRO OFFICE BLOCKS upon us and future generations. What a SMOKESCREEN is this EIS report!! What concerns us as Kilmainham / Inchicore residents is THE FUTURE and these MACRO BLOCKS. This site is also included in the Integrated Area Plan for the district and thereby could avail of lucrative tax incentives (public monies). This is ALL THE MORE REASON that any development on this site should be driven by the needs of the local community and the requirements / facilities that tourists, (ever increasing in numbers ) would expect visiting Ireland’s most visited heritage site in the most historic yet also so neglected part of the city. An ideal opportunity now presents itself for the city authorities to ameliorate the mistakes and neglect of the past. In the context of the city’s history, Inchicore Road and the Jail are unique. Every era in the development of Dublin is reflected here, either in some building or feature or by association. All the key developments which shaped the modern world in history and politics are represented in the area. We have some of the greatest attractions for the serious tourist to Dublin i.e. Royal Hospital, Bully’s Acre, Richmond Tower, Memorial Park what remains of the Richmond Barracks /the Railway Works and all where the waters flow of the Liffey, Camac, and the Grand Canal. As I said this site is of national importance. If the nation could buy for posterity the Guinness mansion in the Park could not this site in front of Kilmainham Jail also be bought by state intervention to enhance the presence and importance of Kilmainham Gaol to the nation.
To quote from Dublin Corporations own Integrated Area Plan magazine “Link in” Volume 1- Issue 1- Summer 2000 : The Plan calls for the development of the following:
A Public domain strategy for the Village and extending along Emmet road to the South Circular Road A conceptual strategy focusing on identifying and developing linkages, to and within the area and PARTICULARLY building on the opportunities provided by adjacent ATTRACTIONS of NATIONAL importance. Look what a success Smithfield has been with it’s tourist facilities reflecting the presence of the old original Jameson Distillery now like the Jail a Museum. A nearly exact parallel development like which has positively transformed Smithfield is required opposite Kilmainham Gaol. This development in Kilmainham to be driven as Smithfield’s development has by the Corporations own IAP- with the important and most essential distinction that Kilmainham Jail and its surroundings are of national importance. The revitalised Dublin Corporation, with its integrated area plan for Smithfield has worked so effectively on the Northside (amenities built around the presence of the Jameson Museum, hotel etc) our IAP will and must produce the same results for Inchicore / Kilmainham and right here opposite our Museum, Kilmainham Gaol.
There is a very wide range of architectural styles and types in the area. Within the single entity of Kilmainham / Inchicore, some of the leading architects of earlier eras are represented. Below are some of those names whose work stands here today: Sir William Robinson – Royal Hospital Kilmainham. Sancton Wood – Kingsbridge (Hueston) Station. Sancton Wood – Railway Tower in CIE (now a heritage office). Thomas Burgh – Dr. Steven’s Hospital. Francis Johnson – Richmond Tower. Sir Edwin Lutyens – Great War Memorial Park. George Semple – St. Patrick’s Hospital. Welland & Gillespie- St. Jude’s Church (Spire). Andrew Devane (founder of RKD) - Inchicore VEC School. These great architects and the history of their buildings would require a significant heritage site alone opposite the Jail. This site lies opposite Dublin’s Bastille, Kilmainham Gaol – go to Paris and see how the area (very neglected only some 15 years go) opposite and surrounding where the Bastille once stood has been developed, the city’s modern opera hall, restaurants, art-shops etc. this district of Paris has BEEN ENLIVENED greatly by appropriate developments and this enlivened ambience lasts long into the evening and the night and all due to “the ghost of the Bastille”. The history of the Bastille reverberates of the other and in the other appropriate developments surrounding this historic district of Paris. i.e. the magnificent contemporary designed opera hall, restaurants, art shops and bookshops. The atmosphere come the evening, among the Parisians and tourists looking up at the Bastille opera hall all aglow with lights as one enjoys a meal and a bottle of wine in a nearby restaurant has to be experienced. This ambience would permeate the length of Inchicore Road, Kilmainham when similar amenities are planned and built opposite Kilmainham Gaol. All developments in the Bastille district are appropriate having been planned and built to serve and attract tourists to the area and also to reflect the importance of the former prison to Paris and the French people - WHY SHOULD WE BE DIFFERENT or worse INDIFFERENT especially as we unlike the French still have our Jail The French would never allow A MACRO OFFICE DEVELOPMENT to cast its long shadow across their Bastille district. The City authorities in Paris have fully exploited the great tourist attraction of the long gone Bastille for the benefit of the local economy and the surrounding area that was once neglected like Inchicore / Kilmainham is presently. There is a great lesson here to be learned from Paris and the French, as we fortunately still have the presence of Kilmainham Gaol to plan and build around. The French would shake their heads if they saw what was proposed here for Kilmainham.
Unlike Paris, Dublin will always have its Bastille, Kilmainham Gaol, let’s plan and build (with the objectives of Dublin’s Corporation own Integrated Area Plan for the area) like the French around its presence as a great tourist attraction and so important district in the nation’s history. This site opposite the Jail has to become a site for cultural / heritage events and provide the amenities so lacking at present for tourist and Dubliner alike. Kilmainham if it were in Paris would be part of the “Isle de France” or in Germany the “Alt–Stat”. Every capital city in continental Europe protects and cherishes its “Old Town”. Kilmainham should have been protected and developed as the Old Towns have been on the Continent. Just stroll along Old Kilmainham Road and view the sites i.e. Burmah Oil Garage, O’Reilly Electrical, Kilmainham Motors, Camac Cars, Wheels Motorcycles, City Gas, Des Donnelly Motors, Dublin Providers and the Massive James’s Hospital Boilerhouse right on the Old Road. Could not a more appropriate location for this essential facility being found on the massive site that is St. James’s. Such a sight I have never seen / would not be allowed anywhere in Europe, East or West. Essentially a mixture of mickey mouse and big business outfits who only abuse and use the Old Road and old buildings (if they survive) as private car parks. They have already ensured that the LUAS will never pass through the centre of Inchicore / Kilmainham only to protect their private parking facility. They the owners don’t live in or care about the district. Business’s have to exist but in appropriate purpose built office and industrial estates. Travel to Bruges in Belgium (Western Europe) or Debrovnic in Croatia (Eastern Europe) to see how old towns/cities are protected and cherished. Dublin will never be in the same league as its too late but the situation has improved if only over the last number of years. Kilmainham is / has the making of a unique “Alt-Stat” if the right buildings / conversions are planned / restricted to tourist, cultural and housing requirements. Integrated Area Planners and Architects for Inchicore / Kilmainham, you only have one chance to get this right. A quite magnificent opportunity now presents itself to you don’t squander it and by doing so make amends for the past destruction and neglect of the area by the planners of the past most of whom had no sense of heritage or little interest in Old Dublin or its people. Let you show the difference and mark a line in the sand for all to see. A heavy burden will rest on your shoulders (as planners and protectors of our place) if this goes wrong and we the present residents (and future generations) of Kilmainham / Inchicore will have to live with and look at whatever is built on this site for the rest of our lives. Do THE RIGHT THING for our district , DUBLIN CITY and the NATION. Insist to Charmside that this site realise its so obvious potential and also its economic potential, as a great cultural / recreational area for Dubliners and tourists alike. The area still suffers from the bad planning and architecture of the past (with all its social ills and consequences) i.e. the building of St. Michael’s Estate. What a further historical site was lost / demolished when the lovely old stone buildings of the former Richmond Barracks were torn down to be replaced by the flats now thankfully planned themselves for demolition. This site is where the 1916 leaders were detained (in the old gymnasium, thankfully still intact) and court-marshalled before their transfer along Emmet Road to their executions in Kilmainham Jail. This history should be commemorated (when this part of the IAP is rebuilt) in my opinion by the “rebuilding” of the old arch that once stood as the main entrance into Richmond Barracks opposite Mc Dowells. Pictures of this arch are to be seen on the walls of Mc Dowells / Richmond House. The developments in nearby Bow Bridge and Bow Lane that were driven needlessly by tax breaks have turned out and are known locally as Kilmainham’s “Benidorm Blocks” – a lovely tranquil old rural village atmosphere and walk that ran along Old Kilmainham Lane (in the heart of the city) disappeared practically overnight, please get this site right. What will the massive crowds think when they throng the district in 2016. One hundred years on from the 1916 Rebellion if the Jail is OUTSCALED (and reduced of its rightful architectural dominance of the area) and by then (2016) still no focal point to congregate, after all the ceremonies on the 100th anniversary of the Rebellion, due to the presence of these by then 15 year old empty (office hours only) MACRO BLOCKS. Dublin planners and councillors again I implore YOU ALL think long and hard before you even consider this proposal the people will not forget. We have already lost to the area the potential tourist sites, by-ways and one time local facilities of: All the fine old lodge houses that once stood on Inchicore Road. The road now used as a general industrial car park by Sierra Communications JCBs vans and trucks. The old mills along the Camac now occupied by the Metropolitan Industrial Estate with access down an old lane no wider than a cart. The Methodist “railway” Church on Tyreconnell Road (demolished by a JCB at 3am on a Sunday in 1994). St. Jude’s ”railway” Church that once stood adjacent to the Jail demolished in 1988 only to be “rebuilt in a form” 30 miles away in Straffan as a “heritage centre”, essentially of our railway industrial past. A potential transport museum up in THE WORKS (now lost and destined for Mullingar!!). Inchicore’s finest steam engines now thankfully restored and saved by the wise men of the North and today on view in the Ulster Transport Museum. The old stone buildings of the Richmond Barracks (of great historical significance). Much of Old Kilmainham Lane, over built with apartments. Much of Old Kilmainham Road, cluttered with ad-hoc businesses. The Irish Permanent, EBS and AIB packed and gone from Inchicore village. The original and required route of the LUAS derailed from the area.
Again I say help the old district / village. Fortunately for Kilmainham this proposed development coincides with the first few months of the areas Integrated Area Plan objectives being published. This development by its proposed location alone fails the stated criteria of the IAP. It fails on all counts, which are primarily to enhance the environment and protect / contribute to the district’s heritage by promoting tourism in Inchicore / Kilmainham particularly adjacent to attractions of national importance. Thrusting you will give ample thought and consideration to the above as a very important but obvious decision must be made considering this huge site opposite Kilmainham Gaol a place so important in Dublin’s and our nation’s history. Kilmainham has now reached a turning point in its so varied and chequered history, the point at which significant renewal for the benefit of the district its people and its tourists can be realised. Let what is to be built on this site demonstrate this to all. There can be no excuses if this site is allowed to be turned into MACRO OFFICE BLOCKS due to MACRO ECONOMICS , thus denying our district its rightful long due appropriate rejuvenation as outlined in the IAP for Kilmainham / Inchicore.
Yours sincerely,
JOHN CALLERY. (Inchicore and Kilmainham residents- combined associations.) |
CommentsPRESS RELEASE 01.01.01.
REBELLION IN KILMAINHAM 2001
KILMAINHAM AND INCHICORE RESIDENTS ASSOCIATION AND FRIENDS OF KILMAINHAM JAIL. C/O John Callery, 2 The Paddocks, SCR, Kilmainham Dublin 8. 01 4543475, 087 6820278. johncallery@eircom.net
Subject : SPECULATIVE OFFICE BLOCKS planned for right opposite Kilmainham Jail. Capacity 4000 transient office workers, 3 blocks rising to 6 stories, 2 underground car parks for 598 cars and 11 visitors spaces to this massive complex!! The very thought of these blocks even being considered by Dublin Corporation is causing rebellion and outrage here in Kilmainham. Developers, John Ronan and Richard Barret of (Treasury Holdings)
RESIDENTS FEEL BETRAYED BY DUBLIN CORPORATION. Renouncing on their responsibilities and promises as outlined in their own Integrated Area Plan (IAP) for Kilmainham if this is sanctioned in any shape or form. To quote from an e mail from Treasury Holdings planning agents (Frank L Benson and Partners) on the above “The scheme as submitted stems from detailed discussions with senior planners and architects at Dublin Corporation”
Integrated Area Plan (IAP) for this district (Dublin’s Bastille District) launched in the East Wing of Kilmainham Gaol on 2nd Nov’ 1999, this district was promised so much in its IAP objectives i.e.
“Enhancement of the district’s heritage and provision of green space and tourist amenities around buildings of National importance”- What is the first plan of renewal? – 6 STOREY OFFICE BLOCKS right in front of Kilmainham Jail “after detailed discussions with Dublin Corporation senior planners and architects”. 200,000 tourists (numbers rising) visit the Jail ALONE each year. This site (Nestle Site) across the road from the Jail must provide amenities so lacking for tourists and locals. A hotel, restaurant for tourists / Dubliners and a heritage park for all, reflecting all the great history of Kilmainham for the children of the City of Dublin and the nation. The area’s lore and legend is enriched by stories of Silken Thomas and Brian Boru. A heritage that extends centuries and also includes the Vikings, Strongbow, the Knight Templers, Dublin’s set piece of the Industrial revolution the Great Southern & Western Railways, the Great War Memorial Park and all Irish Rebellions up to the executions of the leaders of the 1916 insurrection. Office blocks belong off the M50 not here in our face and the face of Old Kilmainham Jail. These blocks are planned to stand on the actual site where Brian Boru camped the evening before the Battle of Clontarf in 1014. Also this is the very site of the ancient place of pilgrimage St. John’s well. This proposal would not be tolerated by any City Authority in any other ancient and historic district in Europe. “The Corporation and government should be planning this site for the years 2014 & 2016 as any other country in Europe would plan for forthcoming major events (1000th anniversary of Battle of Clontarf and 100th anniversary of the 1916 Rebellion) in its nation’s history.” To quote a resident of Kilmainham / Inchicore St. Patrick’s Athletic, Pat Dolan. 01 4546332.
This proposed development will diminish the integrity and national importance of Kilmainham Gaol. It’s a threat to the nation’s greatest heritage site in that the Jail and immediate district will be overwhelmed by the scale and more importantly the function of these blocks.
Tourist access to the Jail already severely hindered by lack of parking facilities at Jail. This proposal would never have progressed thus far in any European City in a district with such a wealth of history and heritage as Kilmainham. It would not even be considered or entertained by any City Authority in Europe. CAMPAIGN: (“Rebellion In Kilmainham 2000”).
Every house in the district (Inchicore, Kilmainham, Islandbridge, Lower Ballyfermot and Rialto) will be canvassed and petitioned to express the wishes of the people of the district to Dublin Corporation. This campaign commenced the first weekend in September 2000 and will run up and beyond the 27th of Sept when the AREA COMMITTEE of local councillors meet in Dublin Corporation. Ciaran Rose senior planner in Dublin Corporation (6796111) should answer questions on this massive alien development planned to be dropped into the most ancient and historic district in Dublin. Sile de Valera as Minister of Heritage should issue a statement on these proposals (in front of Kilmainham Gaol) where her own grandfather Eamon de Velera was imprisoned for his part in the 1916 rebellion. Also she should be asked what will the crowds think in 2016 when they come to commemorate 100th anniversary of the 1916 rebellion only for the Jail and them to be surrounded by then 15 year old massive empty (office hours only) office blocks!! Some national figures who totally oppose this development and totally support us are: Niell Andrews MEP, Trevor Sargent TD & Leader of the Green Party, Senator David Norris, Dr Michael D. Higgins of the Labour Party, and Thomas Mc Giolla of the Workers Party.
CommentsAs a resident of Inchicore/Kilmainham I object strongly on local amenity, traffic, and on cultural grounds. Sufficient thought has not been given to how much such a development will impact on the local population. We value and cherish our local heritage and we are proud to have such wonderful heritage sites and public amenities in our area. We feel that there is an opportunity to bring together a vision and appreciation of our past which can be complementary. We would like to see the space being developed as an exhibition space, archive, and library to complement the rich resources of the Gaol, the Memorial Gardens Collins Barracks and IMMA which are all on our doorstep. There is an opportunity to develop a unique quarter in the city which extends the benefits and privileges of the city to Kilmainham by developing a hub of museums and heritage sites in this area. Other cities have done this to great effect.
CommentsSave our past and our history. We have a unique opportunity to develop something very special in Kilmainham with IMMA, Collins Barracks, The Memorial Park and the Gaol. Please do not squander our past to feed a voracious Celtic tiger
CommentsSo Treasury Holdings responce to Dublin Corporation's extensive additional information as requested ( after extensive local campaign) last Sept is as follows: 1. Show mitigating proposals for blocks. Responce- Speculative block density increased by 40,0000 ft sq !!!! ANSWER IS NO. 2. Applicant to submit alternative architectural proposal to enhance surrounding protected structures and national monuments. Responce- some cosmetic limestone cladding around sides to the south and east !!!Answer is NO. 3.Applicant - To submit a proposal of ARCHITECTURAL AND URBAN DESIGN EXCELLENCE. Responce - Cladded LEGO!!Answer is NO. 4. Applicant to submit analysis of the effects of proposed blocks on local dwellings. RESPONCE: Our revised proposals wiil not effect the dwellings "UNDULY". Answer is NO. 5. Applicant to consider greater mix of uses. RESPONCE - 98% office rental space !! Answer is NO 6. Applicant to consider resential & hotel development. RESPONCE - Not viable !! i.e. NO So its NO NO NO NO NO NO all the way so the Dublin Corporations RESPONCE to Treasury must be NO NO NO NO "your not imposing this on Kimainham Gaol and the district of Dublin 8." with our permission.
CommentsDONT LET KILMAINHAM GAOL BE DWARFTED AND OUR TOURISM BE RUINED BY THE MACRO BLOCKS.
....and to add this reminds of Maggie Thatchers responce years ago No, NO ,NO ,No. Dublin Corporation THIS CANNOT BE BUILT OVER US, AROUND US AND UNDER US AND DESTINED TO DWARF THE JAIL AND ALL THAT STANDS HERE IS SUCH A HISTORICAL DISTRICT
CommentsWhat an innovative and professional way to lobby. You have my full support. As the "additional information" requested by the Planners has been submitted we await their decision. Cllr. Eric Byrne. Labour Party Councillor Dublin City Council
CommentsAs a member of the Dublin '98 Commemoration Committee for whom Kilmainham Jail provided one important focus I want to register my objection to the proposal to erect multi-storey office blocks on the old Rowntree site opposite to the Jail. This would, I submit, constitute an inappropriate development in terms of its visual impact and traffic generation. Apart from its 1798 connection, the Jail played a central role in 1916 and thereafter and it is an important link for many with their political and cultural heritage. Rather than facilitating a development which will take from its value as a cultural and interpretative centre, I submit that it is in the interest of both Dublin and the island in general that the site opposite should be integrated in an accepatble way into this historic area. Any commercial development must not be allowed to damage a national treasure such as Kilmainham Jail, and I call on Dublin Corporation to reject the plans as presented.
CommentsKILMAINHAM AND INCHICORE COMBINED RESIDENTS ASSOCIATIONS AND FRIENDS OF KILMAINHAM GAOL. 12.01.01. After examining the latest drawings for 2467/00 we wish to make the following comments / observations. 1. Density of development has increased by some 4,000 sq metres. 2. Proposed “PUBLIC ATRIUM SPACE” is nothing more than an entrance foyer for occupants and people having business in the office blocks. 3. Proposed 16 table public restaurant is a token canteen facility where the 4000 office workers will queue for the “facilities” it offers!! 4. Proposed creche is a private facility for the office workers. 5. Proposed gym with public access – again this will be a private facility for the occupants of the office blocks. 6. Proposed “sculpture garden” was already a paved space. 7. The very pertinent historical facts that this was Brian Boru’s campsite in 1014 and also the last known place of St. Johns Well as shown in Frank Bensons own prepared EIS report. This ancient well is shown in the EIS report in the vicinity of the proposed creche area. THIS ANCIENT HISTORY MUST BE REFLECTED IN WHATEVER IS BUILT ON THIS ANCIENT SITE. They cannot be allowed to ignore this great history and this is only a fraction of the great history that surrounds this site. 8. All flat roof areas to be accessed for maintenance purposes only – how in God’s name is this to be policed on a fine summers day!!! 9. Perceived overlooking / shadowing to be reduced- it is Dublin Corporations responsibility to perceive!! – so what if even he meets the rights of lights by 1/16 of an inch , he is building over homes that have stood the since 1890s and earlier-its justice and the right to maintain their privacy in their own back gardens and bedrooms that the residents deserve THEY MUST BE PROTECTED BY DUBLIN CORPORATION. 10. Developer will include “projecting bay on axis with Kilmainham Court House entrance” what a load of drivel!!! 11. Proposed public square – he is still pushing this fairytale !!! 12. Public atrium space as we said this is a necessary entrance and focal point for the office workers – nobody else (you and me) will be welcomed here!!! Thus far and no further !!- we can see the signs hanging on the walls. This main entrance (opposite the gaol on block A) as shown is like something from Josef Stalin’s school of communist architecture!!! “ Velcome to dee OTEL LENIGRAD”!! 13. The rear elevation ( the western gateway into Dublin City) of this proposal in the developers own photomontage is only short of a couple of Pidgeon House flues to round it off as a power station !!! THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT HIS RESPONSE TO A MORE MIXED DEVELOPMENT HAS BEEN A TOTAL CON ( MIRAGE ) AND VERY EVASIVE. THIS IS THE SAME INTENCE SCHEME AS PLANNED LAST JULY.
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CommentsI have read the previous comments in total disbelief. How has such a proposal even be considered under the terms "additional information". Would one see office blocks in the Place de la Bastille in Paris- NO, NON. Opposite the Tower of London- CERTAINLY NOT. Along side the Brandenburg Gate in Berlin-never. Surly Irish architects will rise against this- nothing of architectural merit has graced Dublin since independence- which we owe in part to the men who died in Kilminham Jail in 1916. Irish architecture has a magnificient chance to produce something really of splendour and great sympathy with all the history and great architecture that surrounds this site opposite the Jail. Irish architects should be up in arms against what is proposed here and should be demanding an open competition to design a building of architectural great merit and indeed purpose- RISE UP IRISH ARCHITECTS and rebel against these pile them high office blocks- do something for Dublin you have had it so easy up until now 2001.
CommentsStephen Prior, 35 Manor St. D7 This Proposed site is on an area of Dublin which is of extreme historical interest, with Kilmainham Gaol, Richmond Tower and Kilmainham Hospital all in the immediate vicinity. The revised plans appear to have only have placed a meagre facade in front of this proposed development. That will in fact only serve the interests of the developer by providing amienties for the 4,000 or so people who will be working in the offices. Not for the locals and the tourists for which it is proposed. From a traffic perspective this development will be a total disaster in an area already in the grip of gridlock. The developer/Architect appears to have no interest in the local heritage or people. With so much interest being placed on the preservation of areas/buildings of historical interest this proposed development can only be a step back to the "BALLYMUNISM" of the late 60's and earley 70's. In conclusion this site has the potential to enhance the whole surrounding area if not the whole of Dublin while still being an economically viable site.
CommentsWe now have an oppertunity to rectify the mistake that was allowed to develop for ecconomical reasons and the need for employment in the 50's.With the Roantree Macintosh factory now demolished,let us not replace this eyesore at the gateway to our city with another monstrocity. This site has been close to the making of a lot of Irish history.The Irish forces camped here before The Battle of Clontarf in 1014.It was a place of pilgrimage for thousands of people from far and wide to drink at the Holy Well of St.John.Kilmainham Jail adjacent to this site has been at the forefront of Irish history since it was built.the proposed new development will dwarf the ancient jail and the terrace of 7 houses on South Circular Road at its junction with Con Colbert Road.The residents of these houses will now be deprived of any and all privacy to the side and rear of their "private" dwellings.No other nation on earth would allow the proposed development(destruction)of such an ancient and historical treasure.Hoping you see sense.
CommentsOn my first family visit to Ireland, we were appalled to see that they were tearing down Wood Quay to put up a parking facility. When my small children asked me why, I had no answer. Years later, when I lived in Ireland, my adult children came to visit and we travelled the entire country from Giant's Causeway to Kinsale, from Dubling to Galway. If you asked my children what left the most lasting impression of the country, they would say in unison and without pause, Kilmainham Jail. Our visit there was a moving, spiritual experience about which we still speak with awe. How can a group of men sit down and take it upon themselves to take away from all of us of Irish blood such a place as this! I am outraged and wounded at such short-sighted vision in a country where honor and integrity have reigned no matter what the circumstances of daily life. PLEASE LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE AND STOP THIS INSULT! Joan Benner-Welsh, Milwaukee, Wisconsin, USA
Comments16.01.01: Due to the historical background of the area and the facade of Kilmainham Gaol and surrounding buildings I strongly object to the proposed development by Charm Side Ltd in the area.
CommentsHeritage, its a fragile word, do not abuse it. We in Australia are only beginning to understand its meaning.
CommentsThese POWER STATION in looks office blocks are like a boomerang - there back. My advice to Dublin Corporation is to count and read the original objections (2000+) that arrived into the planners in Wood Quay during the Campaign "Rebellion In Kilmainham 2000" as this Leopard has not even tried to hide its spots. This scheme is BY ITS LOCATION ALONE TOTALLY WRONG. Also from a heritage,historical and architectural perspective it FAILS ON ALL COUNTS. That's some "Integrated Area Plan" that was devised for Kilmainham if this is the first great plan of "renewal" !!! Nobody could argue for what is proposed to loom over the Gaol and West Dublin except the developer. Is this all the stalking greedy Celtic Tiger and his cubs can bring to the ancient and historic lands of Kilmainham- no there must develop far better and needy facilities for Dubliners and tourists alike in "Ireland's Bastille District" - reject this proposal NOW it should have being rejected last year.
CommentsAs a descendant of Irish emigrants who left to escape the hardships imposed by an English government, I strongly object to any attempt to diminish the physical or psychological stature of Kilmanhaim Jail. I remember many years ago standing in the dreary courtyard where a mortally wounded Connolly was strapped to a chair and executed. The solitary black wood cross that marked the spot left an indelible impression and a lifelong interest in political injustice. The executions of the leaders of the Easter Uprising turned the tide of Irish opinion and paved the way for the Irish Republic. We must not lose sight of what it means to be Irish. In the rush of going forward, we must not forget where we have been. Is it too much to ask that an office complex not overcome the sacrifice of these Irish heroes? Will the din of computers and telephones drown out the distant memory of persecution and human sacrifice? What does this say about us? How will it speak to future generations for whom the memory of the Irish struggle has dimmed? Certainly the Jail deserves more than a gratuitous nod to its historic past.
CommentsHISTORICAL POINTS RELATING TO THE NESTLE SITE.
a) Brian Boru’s campsite (so chosen because of its elevated and strategic position) overlooking the expanse of the lands of the now Pheonix Park and eastwards towards Dublin Bay. This site chosen by Brian Boru the evening before the Battle of Clontarf in 1014 b) The last recorded position of St. John’s Holy Well visited by thousands of pilgrims in the 18 th and 19 th centuries. c) To quote from Eithne Massey’s book on “Prior Roger Outlaw of Kilmainham”, the following passage relates to the 1540s. “The Hospitaller lands extended over a large area, west from what is now Bow Bridge as far east as Chapelizod, including the area between the Liffey and the Camac rivers, and stretching northwards beyond the Liffey to encompass much of what is now the Pheonix Park. While there are no walls of the manor left standing, it seems likely that the inner enclosure of the Great Hall stood on THE HIGH GROUND (the Nestle Site) at Inchicore Road between the two river valleys- around the entrance to what is now the entrance to the Royal Hospital” Dublin Corporation I emplore you as protectors of our City (past,present and to come) if you are not aware of this fraction of history( you are now) extending nearly 1000 years on and around this site, you must not allow office blocks to eternally ruin the history and building of a heritage village that this site deserves. There must be state intervention here to save this site and build an appropriate heritage / tourism plaza with all the amenities that this site deserves and for Irish people and tourists to view all the magnificent views from this elevated site the Western Gateway into Dublin City. This site and its surroundings are steeped in history like no other district in Ireland from St. Maighnenn of the 7th century, Brian Boru of 1014 and up to the 1916 rising and subsequent executions of the leaders of the rebellion right in front of the Nestle site in Kilmainham Gaol. This proposal for office blocks is preposterous in its entirety and must not be allowed. This unique and abundant history and heritage must dictate what is built on the Nestle Site. State intervention is urgently required now to save this site from office blocks. Sile de Valera (Minister for Heritage) and Eamon O’Cuiv (Minister of State for Heritage also known as “Young Dev” do you hear the voices from Kilmainham Gaol ???
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CommentsRe: charmside development's proposed office block scheme - planning reference 2467 I strongly object to the office development proposed by charmside. From a resident's point of view, this development will dwarf our houses, we will lose all privacy in our gardens and bedrooms. The height of these buildings will throw shadows over our property and block out our right to "sunlight". Please do not let this development proceed and ruin the architectural and cultural heritage of Kilmainham.
CommentsI could scarcely believe it when I heard the Dublin corporation were considering allowing the building of this office block beside one of your national monuments. As a regular visitor to Dublin I feel entitled to object to this sacrilege. Please desist!
CommentsDear Dublin Corporation: You must reject Charmside's proposed Macro-Block office building plan opposite Kilmainham Gaol on the Inchicore Rd! I came from the United States to visit Kilmainham and found it to be an incredible historic treasure. I was personally thrilled and emotionally affected to stand on such historic ground. I've always strongly recommended it to others planning to visit Dublin. How sad and outrageous that you could even consider betraying such an ancient historical site with horrible 6-story office buildings. I cannot urge you strongly enough to reject this "macro-block office building" development proposal! A small landscaped heritage park with restaurants and shops would complement the site and would even bring in funds as well as educate and provide respite for those who visit Kilmainham. No imposing, sterile, and ugly office buildings belong there! I beg you not to ruin such a treasure! Suzanne DeBolt Florida, USA
CommentsDear Dublin Corporation: You must reject Charmside's proposed Macro-Block office building plan opposite Kilmainham Gaol on the Inchicore Rd! I came from the United States to visit Kilmainham and found it to be an incredible historic treasure. I was personally thrilled and emotionally affected to stand on such historic ground. I've always strongly recommended it to others planning to visit Dublin. How sad and outrageous that you could even consider betraying such an ancient historical site with horrible 6-story office buildings. I cannot urge you strongly enough to reject this "macro-block office building" development proposal! A small landscaped heritage park with restaurants and shops would complement the site and would even bring in funds as well as educate and provide respite for those who visit Kilmainham. No imposing, sterile, and ugly office buildings belong there! I beg you not to ruin such a treasure! Suzanne DeBolt Florida, USA
CommentsThe short sightedness of this generation will leave nothing for the next except and example of expediture of resources with no reguard to history or topography. An American Tale of uncontroled growth brought to Ireland. "Protect Ireland's National Monuments".
CommentsHey, I'm an American, and one of the important sites to see is the Kilmainham Jail. I for one would be very sorry to see it hidden away. It was important to my understanding of Irish history. Mike McGinnis
CommentsHaving lived close to this area all my life I think it a great shame that it is proposed to ruin this historical location with modern eyesores.
CommentsI am from Rochester, New York, and have been employed with some of our local museums for the past 25 years. I visited Kilmainham Gaol in 1997 and, while I found the interpretation and presentation of the museum excellent, I was one of those people left to "get on the bus and leave." Amenities would be quite welcome, and less imposing structures would give Kilmainham Gaol the respect deserves.
CommentsIt's a slap in the face to Irish history to have this monstrosity built. It's bad enough how foreign interlopers destroyed much of Ireland's historical sites throughout the years, but to have Her own people further ridicule the integrity of those who gave up their lives for the freedom that those with the Planning Departmetn enjoy today is completely evil.
P. Devaney Chicago IL, USA
CommentsI'm from Dallas, Texas; from a tourist's perspective, I can tell you that visual impact really makes a difference in how much one enjoys visiting an historic place. If you ever visit San Antonio, Texas, you'll see what I mean; people come from all over the world to see the Alamo, and are disappointed to find the monument dwarfed by surrounding retail establishments--it's disgraceful and very sad to see. Even though the inside is maintained very well, everyone comments on how the surrounding buildings diminished their experience. It is my hope that Ireland will take better care of the area surrounding its historic buildings than we have in the U.S. and that you will find a way to develop the area around Kilmainham Jail that complements the building instead of taking visual focus away from it.
CommentsThe tour of Kilmainham Jail, and a visit to it's small but informative museum is the very first recommendation I make to anyone planning their first trip to Dublin. It would be a terrible mistake to modernize the vicinity, especially with buildings which could subliminally mislead casual visitors to think that the prisoners could be observed from outside. Far too many people today have no real idea of the true history of Ireland. At least those who visit Kilmainham have the opportunity to have their eyes opened. Nick Kelly, USA
CommentsA Chairde, As a member of the diaspora, who supports the ongoing political struggle to see an Ireland free of foriegn occupation, I am angry about this proposed encroachment on--what I consider to be--holy ground. When I visit Dublin, there is NO Place--no brewery, park, pub or other attraction--that resonates with me--not even the GPO--in a way that the Kilmainham Gaol does. It is historical. It is spiritual. And it is the place where some of the bravest martyrs Ireland has ever known gave their all. To cast a greedy corporate shaddow on that spot is a travesty. And it makes me want to say, whoever proposed such a scheme should be shot themselves. Not literally, of course; but this plan should No Doubt be shot down. Is mise le meas, Michael Kerry Santa Rosa, California
CommentsPlease let Kilmainhan Gaol stand tallest......it is an integral symbol of the struggle for Irish freedom.
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